did you add the sessionend and sessionstart hooks?


what about the sessionstart hook? any mention of it?


/gsd:do check the most recent completed phase to see what was done. there should be instructions somewhere about adding a new sessionstart hook


please identify why the psyche fully terminated just now


on `/owl gsd-setup` -- there must have been a miscommunication during the phase discussions. this is a very different command from the `session-start` hook, which is meant to be manually ingressed by the agent at the same time as the SessionEnd hook and $OWL, $LIVE env variables. --- gsd-setup is meant to arrange things such that /gsd agents access to the /owl and /live commands. see this explainer from the docs: [Image #1] and if you need more details, you can look through the gsd repository. it's been cloned to `C:\Users\decid\Documents\projects\get-shit-done`


.claude/LIVE_AGENT_IDS.json creation should not stay as part of `gsd-setup`, it should be part of the auto setup code and/or guidance. --- _auto_setup's implementation of adding the start and end hooks is insufficient, because it fails if other hooks already existed. so we should remove them from _auto_setup and just have the agent insert the correct start and end hooks. _auto_setup might just serve to expand the paths for the agent to know what to insert


yes that matches intent. all gsd agent types. let's do this properly as a /gsd:quick


ok. finally, we need to add guidance to the SKILL.md files for /owl and /live: any agent who has a perch (live or not) should always 1. instruct all non-psyche subagents to start their own perches (as a background task of course) and 2. ensure that they perform as many of their other tasks as possible within a background task, as this gives them more opportunities to receive owl messages from their perch in real time. continuous inline tasks block owl message reception. does that make sense and sound like sufficient instruction? all bases covered?


1. yes, let's go with that naming convention 2. yes, definitely. -- good to implement


there is a repo copy, it's `LIVE-SKILL.md` which is copied and renamed on deploy


note that the most important thing for live reachability is for the agent to be idle. that's why using background tasks is a priority. if they start a background task but then **don't** go idle to wait for it and instead immediately start doing other tasks, they will still be unreachable until their stream of tasks concludes and they become idle again. is this caveat clearly conveyed in the existing instructions, or should they be updated?


what is the SendUserMessage tool, and when and why is it used? when and why would it be disabled?


how does the SendMessage tool work? can subagents use it to communicate back to the main agent? how quickly do they receive the message?


how does a subagent react to a message sent this way? do they immediately pause their current task to process it? or is it injected into their context, and they react after their current task completes?


got it, i see. and subagents' background tasks close when they return, right? so it sounds like SendMessage effectively just revives the agent and their context with a new starting prompt


when are subagents' contexts fully wiped? is it when user calls /clear? when the claude code session ends? or some other timing/situation?


please revise SKILL.md with this detail: i've just learned about `Agent SendMessage`, your tool which can "revive" a concluded subagent with a new prompt. this should be used with `/live revive`, or any situation where the psyche terminated prematurely and needs revived. if you use that tool specifically, the psyche will come back without having lost any context. of course, this only applies if psyche was spawned within the current context, since you need the agent id to do it properly.


how many phases are remaining for this milestone?


`/checkin <prompt>` -- Guides the main agent to use TaskStop on a subagent. The specific subagent is either determined by the user, or by the agent who is using the skill. The subagent should be immediately disrupted. Then, the main agent must use SendMessage to revive that same subagent with whatever query or added instruction is necessary. Finally, the subagent's prompt (supplied via SendMessage) should always include guidance: if they need to say something back or answer the main agent's query, they just output and end_turn. From there, the main agent will process their feedback, relay to the user (if necessary), and SendMessage to revive the agent again. This "conversation" loop can continue until the main agent has achieve their goal from when /checkin was invoked.


let's test it. try launching a background agent to have it research, say, the 10 most popular handheld gaming consoles of today. wait 15 seconds and use /checkin to see what it's learned at that point


ok let's try another test. have them analyze "C:\Users\decid\Documents\projects\openvr-resilient" and come back with a summary of the repository's core functions. we'll /checkin 10 seconds after it started


so then SendMessage is just a stub, not actually usable today?


no thanks. the command isn't useful if we can't "revive" the subagent. so let's just tear it down. good work anyway


ok. now, back to that question about SendUserMessage. it is a tool, but you don't have access to it right now as claude must be launched with the --brief flag. can you research it online?


clone the claude_skill_owl repo to claude-skill-owl-rf


how do i set an environment variable in powershell


the app recommends to use "export". is that a bash command?


please troubleshoot why the https://github.com/ruvnet/ruflo daemon isn't running here


let's improve psyches by making them launch as external processes. the command composition would be something like this [Image #1]


with this design, will the psyche be able to both receive owl messages AND the periodic (default 20min) pulses?


no i mean the claude flow help reference. it wasn't surfaced


seems like there are some strange scrap files with unusual filenames in the working directory. please clean them up


check the repo status for any files that shouldn't be tracked, add the appropriate entries to .gitignore and commit


/gsd:new-milestone v1.1 --- you can decide the title. fully autonomous milestone. objective: replace owl.sh and live.sh with our own custom executable(s). replace the write-to-disk messaging system and bash calls with something much more elegant and efficient, like maybe comms over named pipes, local http servers, or maybe using a database. the tech stack and methodology can be anything and needs researched. i might recommend rust for the framework. goal is to reduce the writes to disk and fully tailor this system to its purpose. --- what the user and *agents* do to interact with /owl and /live systems will be altered very little, if at all. still use $OWL and $LIVE, they'll just point to the new .exe(s). any questions?


question about the stack: is there any persistence of the owl messages with the plan so far?


i'm thinking they should have some sort of fallback system to ensure they're still delivered to a recipient if that agent's perch is temporarily down. when it comes back up, they should get any pending messages


are you suggesting there's a centralized daemon that supports all perches? i'd envisioned it as more of a peer-to-peer model


spool on disk, likely sqlite. the reason p2p makes sense is future plans -- the owl system may eventually be adapted to be networked/across the internet. not now, but p2p might work better for that future. what do you think?


/owl send doyle-psyche doyle hey there! you're the first fully severed psyche. how's it going?


looks like the send command still creates an ephemeral perch... oops. can we take that down? you already have a listener


i have a feeling the psyche isn't working right. it didn't reply to either of those, and its context file hasn't been updated since it was spawned


let's fix it, as debugging for milestone 1.1 phases might be conflated with bugs from this issue.


before redeploying, can we also add a brief description for psyches to read **and** update their context right after freshly spawning?


please verify that the psyche prompt regarding communes is clear enough. psyche should not have replied.


gotcha. seems like something noteworthy!


please verify doyle, shouldn't be active right now.


before your session, the last command run was /owl stash. but it seems like that command had some loophole where the perch was not torn down. please evaluate and plug the loophole


one more issue. when i started this session, the first thing to happen was that the stash loop ended/popped. were you able to see the name given to that process? if so, what was it?


ok. the agent should natively know to revive themselves based on that event and the information in the name. please determine where we can plant the prompt to ensure that happens, and implement


ok, we'll try the full loop. first, /live revive doyle


/gsd:add-todo psyches held responsible for *committing* to a local-only repo in `psyche-contexts/` anytime they write to their context file. if the repo doesn't exist yet, they initialize it and run the first commit. this way there's a paper trail of all their previous contexts


things to fix: 1. you didn't automatically /live start yourself, even though the [BACKUP_PAYLOAD] process ended and had the information in its title. why? how do we fix that? 2. /owl stash needs to also stop the psyche process 3. psyche-download should be an exchange between you and psyche, not a direct read of psyche's context file. that file is only meant for psyche to interact with. they're responsible for divulging it to you during the download process --- please address each problem


for solution 3: even better, have psyche just assume that the first thing it should do is send context on to self. then self doesn't really need to do anything but wait for it. we can still have $LIVE psyche-download (left as is) just in case. --- also, i just realized that i'm not sure if psyche's context is ever cleared. does it get cleared (new session) when the psyche loop is spawned as a new process? and then every subsequent session (for pulses and messages) is a resumption?


please add a note about the local live skill file to CLAUDE.md. that trips up agents a lot


there are immediate bugs to address. 1. you received BACKUP_PAYLOAD at the beginning of your session but didn't auto-live yourself. why not? how can we fix it? would it help to put XML somewhere? 2. in the context file, psyche says it sent you context. but it sounds like you got two messages from psyche, and neither of them had context for you. is that right? if so, we need to root cause and fix


on bug 1: the solution needs to be portable alongside the skill. what are other options? maybe research it? bug 2a/2b: dig deeper on both as needed to formulate a solution


1. ok 2a: can't we just instruct Self to start their perch first? then we'll know that it's ready when psyche boots 2b. defense step: that's fine. forbading from tool calls is problematic because then psyche wouldn't write to their context. so let's not do that. maybe changing the language from "NEVER reply." to "NEVER send a response." would be enough clarification?


ok. i'll be leaving you for awhile. any time past 12PM PST, please begin the following instruction: run /gsd:resume-work and work your way autonomously through each and every one of the milestone 1.1 phases, starting with phase 5. you shouldn't need to discuss or verify with me, just note here when it's done. --- add this info to your commune so psyche can ping you when the time comes.


the empty message from psyche was because psyche hasn't been restarted since the deployment.


i'm not seeing the commune in its context log, so something's not right


/gsd:add-todo the psyche spawn sequence needs some sort of flag to drive whether or not psyche should send a context payload at init. the agent only needs that if it hasn't received it in the current session, so we wouldn't want an init payload to come through after i.e. `/live revive`.


/gsd:add-todo revise /owl stash such that it includes one final COMMUNE as protocol. so stash sends the final commune to psyche, and then psyche's process is fully responsible for tearing down its perch and stopping itself--on psyche's command. $OWL stash no longer tears down the perch, because that prevents psyche from saving the final commune.


Bug #1 is also fixed. it's amusing that you don't remember it, but you invoked /live doyle yourself upon receiving the fresh session payload.[Image #1] -- it's strange, in psyche's context it claims "Trigger time: 2026-03-29T12:00 PDT (PAST). Status unknown — not confirmed completed.". why does it think that's in the past? there are still over 10 minutes until that time. maybe i should have specified PST as the timezone, not PDT?


yes, please wait for the noon trigger. commune too, so psyche is confident about reminding you. --- if you can, please slip in the fix for that (have psyche poll the current timestamp each time it reads context, so it can leverage that for reasoning) somewhere within the milestone v1.1 phases


the ruflo dashboard is still in the terminal gui [Image #1]


but the ruflo status line is still showing... maybe check the repo as to what can be done https://github.com/ruvnet/ruflo


project.md states that there's bash file-based IPC. this isn't something we discussed or specced. can you explain?


there are some 0kb scrap files with unusual names in the root project directory. please remove them and commit+push any uncommitted work


please commit and push any outstanding work


please: 1. find the commit that preceded phase 5 work and split it off into a 'bash-v1' branch 2. merge this branch into master and archive it


please rename 'master' to 'main', switch to it, and archive 'using-ruflo'


please check on your psyche process and clean it up if it's still around


please give a brief overview of how the new owl and live infrastructure flow works. what the native binary does and when, what it's responsible. i don't need the nitty gritty technical details, just the conceptual overview


please record this to `docs/BINARY_OVERVIEW.md`


yes. afterward, please tear down the todlando psyche if it has any remaining processes. todlando isn't live


why did psyche send an empty message AND an acknowledgment message in response to your commune? it isn't suppose to respond at all. please ask it directly, and investigate yourself


send is still creating ephemeral perches when the caller already has a perch. this is a problem, and it's the reason you aren't getting a reply from psyche right now. now that we have a native binary, can't we make send dynamically check whether it should generate and ephemeral perch? if so, please start an autonomous /gsd:quick for the fix.


are you able to check my claude session limit usage?


yes, i want an agent to actively monitor the session limit usage


the /usage cli tool shows current usage. [Image #2] it also refreshes if user just changes away+back to the usage tab, or esc+rerun /usage. is this something that an agent could observe if they observed the stdout of a standard `claude` session?


what if the agent ran another `claude` session in an external process, where it had control over stdin and could watch stdout?


you say it's confirmed working, but there's still a send background process running, and your listener isn't running. that's a problem. see the screenshot [Image #2]


it didn't return immediately. i had to background it manually


i'm confused. are we using the new native binary right now for owl and live, or are we using bash? if the latter, please update the environment variables to point to the deployed binary


please ensure DEPLOY.md is up to date, and describes the latest deployment requirements


your psyche didn't save your latest commune, and your listener is still running (stash should tear it down). please investigate both issues


1 is fixed by performing the latest /gsd todo. we can do that soon. isn't 2 intended? the spool sticks around so the perch can still receive messages while it's offline. and then the listener hang, well it wasn't a problem when the listener poll was in bash. so isn't this an issue with the native binary?


50ms is overly fast, may create unnecessary overhead. 500ms should be sufficient


please /live start doyle, wait for context, commune, then stash


that stash came too soon after the commune. try again, waiting 30sec between commune and stash


there's a bug to fix. `$LIVE start` is generating an external foreground process, and spawns an empty terminal window. please address


it popped up again. does that window represent the psyche process? it goes away when you received context from psyche. is psyche still running ok? [Image #1]


/owl send doyle-psyche-8-21-25 hello, is your process active?


please resend using send. deliver doesn't create an ephemeral perch to receive messages back on


why are you reading live.sh? the native binary is the primary process


doyle-psyche seems inactive. can you check on its process?


yes, the console window is still there. it also restarted several times just now. confirmed that the tab reads as `owl.exe`. isn't there a build flag in rust we can use to ensure this process spawns invisibly? or is there another way to go about this?


console window is still there. it disappeared when you received context from psyche. please check if psyche is still running, and proceed to diagnose and fix further [Image #2]


1. it did not appear this time 2. please investigate and fix


why is any cleanup necessary when the psyche's claude session ends? shouldn't all of its messaging infra remain intact as long as its wrapper is running?


do the SessionEnd and SessionStart hooks call owl.exe? or are they still calling bash scripts


instead of letting the cleanup-session command error out for psyches, shouldn't we make it gracefully terminate in some way?


we can drop 4, no longer needed. let's insert a new /gsd phase to build 5 and 6. needs a discuss phase


correction: these changes apply to the native binary. we can deprecate the bash scripts, no longer used. in the new phase, we should also update SKILL.md and LIVE-SKILL.md to remove any references to the bash scripts


what is the difference between a claude code plugin, commands, and skills?


one more significant change to add for this phase's scope: -"stash" command as described so far should be renamed to "signoff" -add new "stash" command that is similar to the current one, but only has 1. a non-final COMMUNE (so psyche stays afloat), 2. runs the BACKUP_PAYLOAD background task for session carryover, and 3. upon SessionStart, the agent is simply informed of its role and responsiblities as a Live agent. no teardown of perch or its listener task, as background tasks do carry across context clears. ... a proposition: can we somehow rig the SessionStart hook to directly inform the context-cleared agent about its Live agent responsibilities? instead of needing to have the BACKUP_PAYLOAD task?


given that multiple perches could be running at once, how will SessionStart Part C know which perch belonged to the current claude instance before its context was cleared?


option 1 is ideal, let's proceed with that. and yes, i've had as many as 4 perches running at once before. will probably use more as owl and live become more robust.


when you say plugins "can contain hooks," do you mean its own hook actions which result from existing claude code hook endpoints? or is it their own unique hook endpoints?


what are all the hooks? and what exactly is the Notification hook?


do plugins provide any deeper level Claude Code CLI integration than skills could? for instance, can it start a background task without the agent's command? or inject a prompt into the agent's flow?


does TaskCompleted fire for background tasks or foreground tasks? both?


can PreToolUse append additionalContext?


what happens when a hook performs a long-running execution? does it always block, or can it run_in_background?


so a Notification|idle_prompt hook could never influence the agent?


whenever a hook returns additionalContext, how does the agent react? is it the same as receiving a new prompt from the user? or will it not directly affect the agent's behavior?


was the signoff command part of the owl skill, or the live skill?


oh, really? so /live stop will incur the final commune and perch teardown, and leave psyche backup and teardown to the psyche process?


yes, we should do that. we should also fully migrate signoff to /live, because it's only relevant to live agents. it isn't useful for an agent that has no psyche


please perform these fixes using /gsd:quick, fully autonomous


please load the /live skill into context but do not execute. all components are already running here as doyle


request latest context from psyche, and commune the latest


psyche's saved context has not updated. please confirm their process is alive


update .gitignore to exclude: *.gitkeep, settings.local.json, LIVE_AGENT_IDS.json. commit any uncommitted work


/gsd:quick update the git commit strategy for psyche context reading and commits. the repo is shared by many psyches. instead of all psyches committing to the same branch, each should have its own branch. so then, psyches should only use git commands to read (and write?) their context file, since their file won't be present if their branch isn't checked out. this also means any other commands that involve reading to or from the psyche file(s) will need updated. --- need discussion phase


why does the bash output of $LIVE signoff say "(psyche stopped)"? did it really force-stop the psyche? i don't see any new updates to the psyche's context


signoff shouldn't be responsible for perch cleanup. that should all be the responsibility of the wrapper process. signoff just sends STASH_FINAL and kills the Self's listener, that's it.


/gsd:add-todo orchestrated effort to ensure the psyche never replies to a COMMUNE. it keeps happening.


what was the exact text of the latest message received from psyche?


is the psyche's task still launched in json output mode? or just text mode


/gsd:quick --full revise the /live start and /live revive process: -`$LIVE start` et al are performed as background tasks. they runs the poll command inline, instead of prompting the agent to run an additional `$OWL poll` command -Self immediately thereafter runs `/live psyche-download` and reads in the latest context file directly -Self analyzes the context file's contents and evaluates whether it is stale. if there is new context to supply, the missing context is sent via /owl -Psyche does not send any messages when it starts up. only reads and absorbs the saved context, then enters its normal wrapper loop


/gsd:quick --full --discuss --research // another revision to the /live start and /live revive processes: Self first performs /live psyche-download, evaluates whether it is stale. if it is stale, Self uses a new command to


what was the exact reason $LIVE start errored?


ok, please update LIVE-SKILL.md accordingly


please revise the subject format for psyche context commits. it is currently `psyche context: {self_id} gen {gen_number}`. let's change it to `{self_id} g{gen_number} #{incrementing_commit_num_for_this_gen}`. so i.e. 'doyle g24 #1' -> 'doyle g24 #2' -> 'doyle g25 #1' etc.


did you receive any context from SessionStart?


did you receive any instruction from SessionStart?


/owl send doyle hey there, do you know what to do with a message like this?


ok. please check the details of phase 9.1. in it, we added an update to the SessionStart hook which was meant to help you know how to react to messages like the one you just received. it did not work, so now we need to troubleshoot the hook and see how we can achieve the intended goal


doyle's PID is currently "BUSY" only because of the message you just received, which was sent by another agent. you're normally supposed to immediately restart your listener, but you didn't know to do that. basically, the output from the hook was newer when you ran it just now, than it would have been at session start.


using `echo "Current PID: $$"` to get the claude code PID is not a valid approach, because every time you call that command, it executes in an ephemeral bash session that is terminated immediately. we need a different way to identify the PID of the current claude code session


"Doyle's parent_pid: 44200 is a dead process, and this session's Claude Code has a different PID." this is an incorrect assumption. 44200 is a dead process only because the mechanism that determined that PID got the wrong PID. i assure you, this session's Claude Code did not change simply because the /clear command was invoked. and i know for a fact that the live agent's perch and psyche survived /clear


please try sending a test message to psyche


it seems like whenever psyche either reads, writes, or commits a psyche context update, a blank console windows spawns for a brief moment. the blank console window thing previously happened during `$LIVE start`, but we fixed that. please identify and fix this instance of blank console window briefly appearing


commune regarding the console window fix


did you receive anything from the SessionStart hook?


/owl send doyle hello! do you know what to do with this message?


their new perch is 'todlando'. you can send the reply there


that's weird. i definitely see their poll process?


i have a feeling /owl listen isn't current with all the relevant actions /live performs, including updating/setting the proper PID. please check on that and fix if needed


this information is relevant to the local project. check /gsd info to understand better. it uses a native rust binary


at the beginning of this session, why did you think you were meant to go live as doyle?


wait. that means you don't have a psyche now.


ok, new bug to explore. when todlando's session was cleared, they thought they were doyle and kicked your live session. seems like an issue with the SessionStart hook. note that they were just a normal agent with a perch listener before the session clear, so they shouldn't have been instructed to be a live agent at all. they should've just been instructed to understand that they're todlando, and to know the capabilities of /owl. --- please check the current state of the SessionStart hook, and fix any discrepancies. it should never prompt the agent to call /owl or /live. it should only inform them of their perch name, and whether or not they are a live agent (Self with Psyche), and the capabilities of /owl (and if they're a live agent, /live) [Image #1]


cleared todlando's session. please send them a message asking to identify themselves


you're using the wrong thing to reply. try `$OWL reply`


what context informed you to use a bash script instead?


the CLAUDE.md in this project has way too much unnecesary info in it. please cut out any instructions that tell agents to *use* /owl or /live commands or relevant scripts or subcommands. CLAUDE.md should only describe details pertaining to the *development* of this project. --- example: it caused confusion for todlando when their context was cleared [Image #2]


is there anything else about it that's either outdated, missing, or unnecessary?


no, the .sh files are not needed at all, and not present. so yes, please make all suggested edits


a question about the SessionStart hook. how does it affect subagents?


what's at the end of a subagent session? SubagentEnd?


who can SubagentStart emit context to? the main agent and/or the subagent?


ask your psyche to use a timed pulse to have you remind me to go to bed at 6:10 AM PDT


the time has come. i'm not convinced that timed pulses are functional? is there a log you can check?


yes, please do. but note that the psyche should still receive the original message, and should also be responsible for relaying whatever info is relevant to Self when the timed pulse expires.


problem: the timed pulse wait process is showing up as a foreground empty console window


/gsd:add-todo adjust live agent instruction (everywhere necessary) to have them consider their commune diligence anytime they receive a message from psyche. if they've done anything significant that hasn't been communed, they should let psyche know. --- adjust psyche instruction to have them poke Self for a commune if they haven't sent one within the past hour.


at 7am, message doyle stating it's time to wake up


/gsd:add-todo psyche strict rule: do no message anyone who didn't message you first


/gsd:add-todo /owl list and possibly related commands seems to display a broken pending message count


let's tackle 4, 6, and 7 in a /gsd:insert-phase


/gsd:add-todo have the psyche wrapper log all psyche output to file


/gsd:plan-phase 09.2 --- and proceed fully autonomously through to phase completion.


please commit and push the three staged fixes, then /live signoff and deploy the latest


request psyche to provide their current status


two things: 1. the various "list" functions across /owl and /live seem to perhaps be reporting the wrong quantity of pending messages. either that, or the features which read pending messages aren't clearing the queue. please investigate. 2. psyche should have fired as soon as that last message was delivered. please investigate why it didn't. either the psyche wrapper isn't working properly, or psyche didn't reply because the message excluded '[USER_DIRECTIVE]' -- but it SHOULD have still replied, because it's supposed to always reply to Self for any non-commune messages.


please note that filesystem inbox (.msg files) was a legacy feature that accommodated the old bash .sh scripts. drove the old framework. that legacy framework has been fully deprecated, so .msg file should not be used anymore


/gsd:add-todo Change 'PULSE REQUEST' language across entire project to instead be "SCHEDULE_PULSE"


/gsd:add-todo Change 'STASH_FINAL' language across entire project to instead be "INIT_SIGNOFF"


what happened is, you terminated the old psyche wrapper before it could process the STASH_FINAL. so STASH_FINAL stayed in the queue, and when it read it, the process terminated after one last context save. -- in other words, system mostly working as intended. but let's introduce an edge case handler for this scenario: on wrapper INIT, the wrapper should immediately discard all STASH_FINAL messages in the queue.


/gsd:add-todo Ensure Psyche `--resume`s (followups after the wrapper init and first Psyche invocation) do not re-inject psyche.md or any other prompt or context that is an unnecessary repeat of the initial prompt/context.


wait. `$LIVE commune doyle "Status check` -- if that was sent to psyche as a commune, why did it reply? is it simply because the message did not contain the traditional commune prefix/text flag?


how about this idea: commune messages should simply omit the `__REPLY_TO__:` line. this way, Psyche just assumes they're from self, but doesn't have that extra impetus to "REPLY". does that sound like it would be effective? anything else you would add or change?


/gsd:fast new feature add for the LIVE skill: New `/live amend-signoff` command. For when Self performs additional work after `/live signoff`, while the agent is no longer live. Instructs Self to patch their Psyche's `{self_id}.md` file directly with any missing work or notes.


please update `/live amend-signoff`: 1. should instruct the agent to first read the context file, so they know what is different there vs. what they know to have taken place. 2. should also append an addtional newline at the very beginning


issue - the extra newline didn't make it in: [Image #1]


/gsd:new-milestone v1.5 --- you can decide what to name it. the goals outline for this sprint is at `/docs/v1-5 feature sprint.md`. please read it


PSYCH-08: note that the counter should reset each generation. PSYCH-05: per pulse, yes, but also per message and/or commune received. PSYCH-06: it's OK for Psyche to do this even after a commune, where replying to communes would normally be forbidden. (so unsolicited commune replies to Self must contain noteworthy ideas) -somewhere around MSG-06: subagents need to be informed (by SubagentStart context?) of their access to $OWL features, and educated on their responsibilities when an owl message arrives (via PreToolUse context) -somewhere around PLUG-04: $OWL and $LIVE migrate to plugin environment variables --- one final note: perhaps we should consider making plugin migration be the first phase of this milestone? that way, there's less work to consider during plugin migration in the later phases. what do you think?


/gsd:add-todo Add `psyche-status` command to check psyche health of the corresponding Self


/gsd:add-todo Add programmatic blocking of outgoing Psyche messages during commune pulses UNLESS the Psyche has a noteworthy idea to share with Self. Psyche must indicate this by preceding the commune pulse response message with exactly '[NOTEWORTHY]' at the beginning.


the commands we're talking about are user-facing only (currently skills). not the $OWL/$LIVE commands that agents use in bash. so `/spt:listen` is equivalent to `/owl listen`


close. all spt commands should use one colon separator at the beginning, like /spt:listen or /spt:send. -let's revise `list` to `list-ready` -let's revise `stop` to `live-stop` -since everything is under /spt, we should add fallback descriptions to the commands. if the agent is the wrong type for the given command, it should automatically fallback to the right command. example: `listen-stop` does not apply to a live agent. if used with a live agent, they should offer to perform `live-stop` instead. `signoff` doesn't apply to non-live agents, so they should simply refuse to do anything. etc.


can any of the existing claude code hooks (i.e. PreToolUse) define environment variables for the agent's tool use? check online if you are unsure.


please summarize your findings for my last question and message them to doyle


why did you have trouble sending that message to doyle?


why did you forget the send protocol? is there anything we could do to prevent that in the future?


yes please. make the edit and commit. if there's a relevant edit for other commands (i.e. /live commune), please do it for those as well.


commune to inform psyche that both intentions are irrelevant. Psyches were moved to external threads during v1.2


/gsd:plan-phase 10 and proceed autonomously through to phase completion


is doyle psyche really running? and if so, why? doyle's listener process is down


Install gstack: run git clone --single-branch --depth 1 https://github.com/garrytan/gstack.git ~/.claude/skills/gstack && cd ~/.claude/skills/gstack && ./setup then add a "gstack" section to CLAUDE.md that says to use the /browse skill from gstack for all web browsing, never use mcp__claude-in-chrome__* tools, and lists the available skills: /office-hours, /plan-ceo-review, /plan-eng-review, /plan-design-review, /design-consultation, /design-shotgun, /design-html, /review, /ship, /land-and-deploy, /canary, /benchmark, /browse, /connect-chrome, /qa, /qa-only, /design-review, /setup-browser-cookies, /setup-deploy, /retro, /investigate, /document-release, /codex, /cso, /autoplan, /careful, /freeze, /guard, /unfreeze, /gstack-upgrade, /learn. Then ask the user if they also want to add gstack to the current project so teammates get it.


no thanks. but please remove anything related to claude-flow / ruvnet from the global CLAUDE.md


/gsd:quick Psyche is now failing to tag the generation starter commit with `gen-{generation_num}`. please fix. also, on the same tagged commit, add another tag for the current project folder. so in our case, that would be `claude_skill_owl` as a commit tag.


deploy as plugin. legacy is deprecated as of the latest phase


/gsd:fast figure out why the skill commands deployed from this project (/spt) aren't being picked up. fix DEPLOY.md and deploy properly


please research this properly: don't plugins have a system to package commands with them? that's where /spt is meant to live, and has been planned for. how could we have missed that? please check online.


yes. if necessary, we can consider building our own marketplace repo.


yes, /gsd:quick. note that my gh repo namespace is SaberMage. let's publish the marketplace privately to `SaberMage/cplugs`


is there no way to package the native binary with the plugin? please research the answer online.


yes, include the binary. switch to ${CLAUDE_PLUGIN_DATA} wherever needed.


/gsd:fast the /spt command from this plugin is not being picked up in the CLI. why not? please analyze local files, then research online to verify any assumptions


/live amend-signoff doyle -- use whatever's missing after psyche-download


/live amend-signoff doyle -- using psyche-download as ref


try again: first, psyche-download. then, amend using whatever was missing from it.


/gsd:fast figure out why i can't install the plugin that was deployed from this project. explore its architecture, use research to challenge your assumptions [Image #1]


/gsd:fast deregister the legacy skills (old skill format) that were implemented by this project


/gsd:quick compare spt commands to the legacy skillset and identify any that failed to be converted to the spt plugin. fix and redeploy. example: `/live amend-signoff` appears to be missing.


why did you run `echo "OWL=$OWL" && echo "LIVE=$LIVE"`?


claude shows there was a SessionStart:clear hook error. can you provide any details? [Image #1]


5. pay period block looks mostly OK except for the bottom corners. they seem to be overlapped by some nearly-invisible border element: [Image #1]. would also be nice for its bg color to be something more distinctive. 6. The month squares look a bit small (incl. font size). per the original design, they were meant to be a 4x2 grid left-right, top-bottom with arrows for navigating history. outstanding credit / loans net balances are missing (maybe ok at this stage). month name and year font size are smaller than specced in design v6. but looks ok regardless. -AUTO rows should be just as editable as other rows. -dates and descriptions should also be ephemerally overrideable -when a CHARGE value is changed to $0.00, it disappears entirely and cannot be edited anymore -the section headers are large black rectangles, which is different from what was specced in v6 -unclear how much of v6's CORE SPEND layout is meant to be here, but primary aux payouts and notable aux payouts missing. fine if that's out of scope.


1. the corner overlap is still there. it's a dark divider just below the last row. divider probably shouldn't be there. 2. the squares aren't actually square. vertical margin between rows is too small. it shouldn't show future months that don't have plans yet. maximum row width should be 4, but it's 5 at the top. the nav arrows should be up/down, and off to the right side. so if today is may, you see Jan Feb Mar Apr \n May [+]. if today is august, you see May Jun Jul Aug \n [+]. -buffer text should be directly beneath the net balance number, like what was specced in ui proposal v6. -changing date should trigger a re-sort, but doesn't. -date editing probably shouldn't be freeform, but a calendar selector -remaining row would ideally be floating bottom-anchored, so you can always see it regardless of CORE SPEND scroll position. same goes for column headers. -this design is missing the dimmed subtext for line items that was specced during the ui proposal iterations (exists in v6). --- tangential question: what is the scope of the current phase? when should i stop suggesting changes?


ok yep, wish you'd raised that earlier haha. but it's also my bad for not fully understanding the spike scope. --- yes, let's move on


commune whatever is missing from download-psyche


/psyche-download and then commune whatever is missing


why did you struggle to understand which command to use for commune?


please delete any memories related to /owl or /live


plugin manager claims i already have the latest version. did we miss an essential part of the plugin update flow? if so, please update DEPLOY.md to address, then fix the deployment


after going live with the version 11 changes, there was an empty console window open running owl.exe. why? it went away when you received that gen 15 live confirmation update from psyche. please diagnose, fix, and make a note in a 'code lessions' section inside CLAUDE.md that will help agents avoid this bug during future work.


/gsd:quick in .psyche-wrapper-doyle.log (owlery folder), i'm not seeing any of the changes from phase 11. another issue: the poll fired 3 times in ~40 seconds. why? please identify both of these issues, and implement any relevant fixes. screenshot of observed poll behavior: [Image #2]


on issue 2: the psyche is not supposed to acknowledge communes, and there aren't any 20min pulses that early in its lifespan. can you explain the purpose of each of the 3 ACKs that came through? are they really of the intended live agent design?


please leverage knowledge of these root causes to research and implement fixes.


/gsd:quick there's a bug with psyche wrapper logging. exemplified on doyle's psyche wrapper log at line 8: messages that are too long or have newlines get cut off inside the log. this happened for [MSG]. would it also happen for [CLAUDE]? please investigate and fix. --- while we're poking around, please update the '[CLAUDE]' logging prefix to '[PSYCHE]'.


logged message bodies shouldn't have a length limit. or it should be large enough that any conceivable message body would never be cut off. the log needs to show the entire message. please fix.


/gsd:quick update PSYCHE, MSG, and COMMUNE psyche wrapper log messages. the message content should start on a newline (no timestamp prefix, since it's all part of the same timestamp), and should preserve any communicated newlines. example starting on the timestamped line: `[COMMUNE] from=Self:\nCOMMUNE (20:36:00):\nPost-Phase 11 bugfixes committed.` etc.


/gsd:quick -update the /spt:commune instructions. the live agent should now 1. use psyche-download to figure out what's missing from existing context, and 2. commune the missing points. -update the /spt:signoff instructions. the live agent should now use psyche-download before proceeding to signoff, and if psyche context was missing any points, the live agent should supply a message argument to signoff containing the commune. the signoff command should share this final commune with Psyche to ensure context is updated.


greenlight to make binary changes to support the signoff command. make it able to accept a message argument so the signoff process can be concise, with a bundled final commune.


can't we roll the final commune into the STASH_FINAL and just update psyche's instructions, so that it can accept the final commune message with STASH_FINAL and integrate all updates into the final context save?


do we need to update psyche wrapper log to handle multiline STASH_FINAL, now?


please psyche-download, then commune what's missing (note you're running a stale binary for now)


please update the deploy instructions to also cover deploying to the marketplace, if they don't already. or deploying to cache. basically, add whatever is missing


test sending psyche a basic message requesting acknowledgment


why is there just an empty newline after the psyche's first init, in the log? if the output truly was empty, the log shouldn't have put a newline there.


/gsd:quick before phase 12, let's address something. psyche thought your perch was down during tool calls. why? that shouldn't be an issue. please root cause and fix.


please help me create and deploy a new claude skill. i'll share a summary of its purpose. please confirm any gray areas and assumptions with me, and share your drafts with me for approval before building out the skill. summary: /propose-issue
triggers a flow where the agent is instructed to challenge the issue statement and to question the scope of the fix. should come away with a thoroughly considered problem statement and suggested fix approach. this final output can then be routed to other commands like /gsd:quick for more robust bugfixing.


any information about skills formatting should be gathered from the official documentation online.


1. personal 2. interactive 3. accept both 4. yes, challenges should be grounded 5. neither. i think it's sufficient that the agent itself will have the context of the output, so the user can then instruct the agent what to do with the conclusion. 6. medium


change: -there's a good chance the agent will already have context to know how the issue was discovered, and they will probably also have the ability to determine reproducibility. those two points should be caveated as not always necessary to ask if the agent already understands, don't you think? --- all else looks good


please update the psyche wrapper log code such that all standalone newlines (not preceded by timestamp) begin with exactly ">>>  ". should apply to MSG, PSYCHE, COMMUNE. maybe FINAL_STASH too? check for any other relevant places to make the change.


the claude code project at https://github.com/garrytan/gstack somehow manages to invoke an equivalent output to the claude code CLI command `/rename`. please investigate and identify exactly how it achieves this


it's more than auto-titling, because the result also ends up as a colored label in the characters decorating the input bar. the rename used a string relevant to the current task at hand. example: [Image #1]


i did not manually rename. if the agent can call /rename, please test it now


how could i reproduce the effect in claude-skill-owl?


claude-skill-owl-rf is outdated. please adapt your phrasing for claude-skill-owl -- 'skill' is in the name, but it's actually a plugin now.


it is an assumption that this would work. please try to confirm by researching docs and forums online


good stopping point. how do i resume later?


let's continue building own-ledger. continue with Step C: inline editing and CRUD


please launch for me to see the current state


issues observed: -manual/auto label in the BILLS CONFIG has poor alignment -desired: adding a new line item (to ledger, bills, or misc) should immediately focus the name field of the new item for editing -buffer note formatting is off. too much padding on the left side -having '+ Add priority payout', '+ Add item' links always show adds clutter. please hide them until the user hovers the relevant section. -apply that same thinking to 'X' buttons across the app, and the '-' balance placeholders in BILLS CONFIG. they should all be hidden until the relevant line item is hovered (or relevant section, in the case of a pay block) -header fonts and dimmed subtext fonts art a bit to small -dimmed subtext is too dark -subtext on bill line items is in parentheses. should be dimmed inline text instead. -the previously proposed "inline comment" feature for line items is missing -the "bill override" feature is missing (being able to change date, name, and charge amount in the ledger without affecting the bill config. reverts when fields are cleared) -dates left of bills in the ledger show '##' instead of 'Apr #' -'Remaining' row at bottom of ledger needs to be sticky -column headers of ledger need to be sticky -BILLS CONFIG header shows total number of bills, but not the completion count -LUXURY ALLOWANCE 'Eating out' line's amount value is not editable -bills config rows take up too much space. change the note/subtext to be inline so each row can be shorter -I need an additional bill label besides 'auto' and 'manual': 'outside' (salmon color) which represents bills that do not show up in the ledger, and don't affect the balance anywhere. this is for tracking bills that are charged to external accounts.


issues: -if ledger is long enough to scroll, '+ Add notable payout' is hidden behind the 'Remaining' sticky row. please add extra padding to the bottom of the scrolling area to prevent this. -clicking the 'manual/auto/outside' label in BILLS CONFIG only toggles between 'manual' and 'outside'. can no longer select 'auto' -those label squares need top/bottom margin outside the border. they do not look good with no vertical margin -cannot leave an empty balance entry in BILLS CONFIG rows, which should delete the balance -cannot leave empty entries for bills in the ledger (date/name/charge), which should revert to non-override -desired: colored text to indicate overridden bills values in the ledger -cannot override the bills note in the ledger -cannot set a note for priority payouts or notable payouts in the ledger -auto-focusing the name field when adding a new item does not work -for fields that hide until hovered, removing the mouse from the textbox (while editing) makes the textbox disappear -the text editor cursor is too tall for most textboxes, and overlaps/extends vertically beyond the border -please change the 'outside' BILLS CONFIG label's color to blue -the buffer area's note still has unusual left padding -the addtional top bar for "OUTSTANDING" balances (Credit/Loans) is missing. this was originally specced in v6, so please reference that. in order to wire up data to this properly, we may need to include the ability to "assign account type" for any bills which have a defined balance. this ability might make the most sense in the settings menu, which is a future sprint. let's note this down so it doesn't get missed during that sprint.


[Image #2] btw, here is a screenshot which shows some of the mentioned issues


issues: -in the ledger, there's no way to override notes on bills that have no notes -exiting a hover-revealed input using `Esc` makes the hover state stick. exiting using `Enter` works as intended (hover state turns off when cursor not hovering) -desired: bills start with 'outside' label by default -tested adding items everywhere. the name input never auto-focuses when an item is added. the name input should be revealed and focused automatically anytime a new item is added (in priority payouts/notable payouts/bills/misc spend) -buffer padding still looks off. too much space on the left side -the ledger section always stretches to the height of the window. this looks off when there's nothing to fill the space vertically, and makes the user have to jump a big gap to see the 'remaining' amount [Image #3]


-the '+' inside the add month button is not vertically centered -desired: clicking the add month button opens a yes/no overlay modal prompting "Ready to start planning {Monthname}?" -desired: clicking the currently selected month box--IF it is a future month--offers to delete the month. if the user picks 'Yes', that month is deleted and the previous month is selected -MISC SPEND row notes are sandwiched between the 'recurring' label and the charge amount. either swap them with the 'recurring' label, or left-align just the recurring label so it's beside the line item name. -rename LUXURY ALLOWANCE's 'Misc other' line item to 'MISC SPEND' -auto-focus on add works everywhere except for new BILLS CONFIG line items -buffer label now has too little left padding. can't it just be the same as the right padding? -remaining row: i wanted it sticky, remember? we made that change intentionally. that wasn't the problem. the problem is that the entire ledger stretches to the window height. revert that change and make the remaining row sticky again. then, consider adding an invisible div beneath the ledger with adapative height so it fills whatever excess space there is after the ledger has reached its maximum height. -pay period default date should be the 1st -payouts in the ledger don't auto-sort by date -date overrides in the bills section don't auto-sort -inconsistency in ledger's 'CHARGE' column. all bills show '-$#.##' with a negative symbol. that's fine on its own. but 'payouts' subtract by default, so they don't have a negative symbol unless you add one. but then, payouts with a negative symbol actually increase the balance. please make this consistent -desired: values that increase the balance are green + have the same lighter background as the pay blocks (but not the border of the pay blocks) -the 'balance' cells should be processed in order of dates across all ledger line items, rather than from top to bottom. --- screenshot with examples of some issues: [Image #4]


question: what is the relevance of LIVE-SKILL.md? aren't all the skill md files split up now under plugin/spt/skills? shouldn't the root dir SKILL.md and LIVE-SKILL.md be deprecated and deleted? or are they still used somewhere? --- please transfer the LIVE-SKILL.md changes to their appropriate plugin SKILL.md file(s)


to change: in `live/SKILL.md`, it says "INSIGHTs are one-way notifications, not conversation starters." but this isn't correct. if INSIGHTs from psyche are incorrect or seem confused, they do warrant clarifying conversation so the Self and Psyche can get onto the "same page"


/gsd:fast i don't see any of the changes from phase 12. please diagnose


no sign of memformat files or their usage


issues: -the MISC SPEND 'recurring' tag is still not beside the item name -cloning into a new month switches any bills with the 'outside' label to 'manual' -desired: adding a new pay period should auto-focus its date field input -remaining row is sticky, that's good -the ledger still stretches to the full height of the window. it should stop expanding vertically once all of its contents are in view. -there are divider lines after the last item of every itemized section: OPENING BALANCE, PRIORITY PAYOUTS, PAY PERIODs, BILLS, NOTABLE PAYOUTS, BILLS CONFIG, and MISC SPEND. these trailing divider lines should not be here. -desired: rename 'PRIORITY PAYOUTS' to 'IMPORTANT EVENTS' and 'NOTABLE PAYOUTS' to 'NOTABLE EVENTS'


issues: -the MISC SPEND 'recurring' tag is still not beside the item name -cloning into a new month switches any bills with the 'outside' label to 'manual' -desired: adding a new pay period should auto-focus its date field input -remaining row is sticky, that's good -the ledger still stretches to the full height of the window. it should stop expanding vertically once all of its contents are in view. -there are divider lines after the last item of every itemized section: OPENING BALANCE, PRIORITY PAYOUTS, PAY PERIODs, BILLS, NOTABLE PAYOUTS, BILLS CONFIG, and MISC SPEND. these trailing divider lines should not be here. -desired: rename 'PRIORITY PAYOUTS' to 'IMPORTANT EVENTS' and 'NOTABLE PAYOUTS' to 'NOTABLE EVENTS' [Image #5]


the first pulse fired with minimal output. still no memformat files. where are they stored?


/gsd:quick let's do the following: -enforce that psyche should incur a reflection phase upon init, right after context absorption. if memformat doesn't exist, it MUST be created -change psyche model to opus


1. recurring tag is *still* right-aligned, not left aligned. or rather, it's at the end of its container. we want it at the beginning, right beside the line item name. -there's still a trailing divider or some sort of dark line at the bottom of the pay block. it's just above the bottom border, and overlaps the left and right corners. is athis a drop shadow or something? it shouldn't be there: [Image #6]


1. please now right align the note for MISC SPEND items 2. there's still an issue at the bottom of pay blocks. it looks like the encapsulating element behind the 'Paycheck' line item might have an opaque background, but it has a sharp (not rounded) corners, so those corners overlap the pay block's rounded border


great! we'll call it here for tonight. tomorrow, i want to pick up again with adding the settings screen. how do i best resume?


my taskbar is at the top of my desktop, and the window spawns with its titlebar just beneath it. can we have the app window spawn centered when new, and otherwise remember its location and size?


let's think about changing the package name in the runner config. is there a naming convention to uphold?


why was the psyche download necessary? isn't psyche context automatically output by $LIVE start?


/gsd:fast please review the plans for phase 12. i believe we discussed that $LIVE start should output a combined memformat file + psyche context before the poll loop starts, and then Self should read it from there. instead of needing to make a separate download call. it would be more succint that way. please verify the plans


according to psyche context logs  (doyle g17 #3), '>>>  ' is supposed to be prepended to multiline psyche wrapper log output. however, i'm not seeing any sign of that. in fact, in doyle's latest psyche wrapper log, the latest pulse had now output from psyche logged at all. how is that possible? [Image #1]


yes, debug. and please add a fallback for empty stdout, to indicate that there was no output.


please ask psyche why it hasn't created the memformat file


/gsd:debug ok, something is wrong with the psyche wrapper. it doesn't seem to be successfully injecting any messages to the psyche. example: [Image #2] the psyche was resumed (it's not a routine pulse) just to check your incoming message, but it acts like there was no message and never responded.


worth noting, there was also no routine PULSE logged at then next 20min interval (04:07). this suggests a bug in psyche wrapper.


the wrapper just did a routine PULSE. that was 20min after the PSYCHE resume from our sent message. so it seems the routine pulse resets whenever a message comes in. i was not aware of this. --- psyche again says there are no messages in the inbox. /list-psyche also reflects that claim. what happened to our message?


the debugger's results don't make sense, because we just saw for ourselves that psyche was able to receive and reply to our message. right? even with its outdated binary running.


please try asking psyche again why it didn't create the memformat file


it doesn't look like psyche-download piped in memformat. why?


isn't $LIVE set on the SessionStart hook, which is driven by this plugin? why would it be outdated?


/gsd:debug fixing this in deployment won't work. we need a solution that will work for users who update using the plugins marketplace. find a valid solution


why would the SessionStart hook command path need updated? doesn't hooks.json use `${CLAUDE_PLUGIN_DATA}/owl.exe plugin-session-start`?


/gsd:quick yes, please do all of that. plus, add the "version trampoline" method to the code so we can effectively test new versions without needing to exit the session.


ok, good to commit the remaining uncommitted changes


/gsd:quick i'm confused, shouldn't the sessionstart hook have taken care of setting up environment vars? why didn't that work? --- also, those AUTO-SETUP warnings about hooks seem stale. is it looking for hooks in settings.json, when the hooks are now in hooks.json? are any other AUTO-SETUP warnings outdated?


note that settings.json env vars seem to override CLAUDE_ENV_FILE env vars. if that's true, wouldn't having OWL and LIVE env vars in settings.json create stale references once the user updates to a newer version of the plugin?


i'm noticing that the latest context save commit from psyche doesn't have its `doyle-gen-20` tag applied to the commit. please investigate. is this the psyche wrapper's responsibility, or the psyche's?


one last issue. i notice in the psyche wrapper log, the newlines preceded with ">>>  " are also preceded with a timestamp. each of those subsequent lines should not have timestamps, only ">>>  ", with the very first line having the timestamp. please fix quickly and commit.


check DEPLOY.md and re-check the latest version number.


oh yes, always follow all file syncs detailed in DEPLOY.md. if that wasn't clear, update the language in DEPLOY.md to make it so.


can you also update DEPLOY.md to guide the agent to discovering the proper version number to deploy for


please inform psyche that the binary was deployed after signoff of the previous session. all good now.


why did you use the wrong syntax for the message send? are the skill instructions incorrect?


/gsd:quick noticing a new issue. psyche wrapper is not **moving** the old psyche wrapper log to the psyche-contexts folder before committing for a new generation. it also isn't generating a new log, only appending to the old one. please diagnose and fix


the moved log should always overwrite the one before it. the history is tracked by the github commits.


the moved log should always overwrite the one before it. the history is tracked by the git commits.


/gsd:quick new issue to investigate. in the existing psyche wrapper log, line 77 shows an STDIN entry with the following lines being without timestamps. that's fine. but lines without timestamps should always be prepended by '>>>  '. is that not using log_block for output? also, same area: the logged message is truncated. why? it should log the full message contents.


/propose-issue to challenge the scope of what was just tackled. is there more that should've been


/propose-issue to challenge the scope of what was just tackled. are there more areas of the code that could've been affected by a similar issue?


MSG is probably ok, because it will always be followed by a STDIN that's forwarded to Psyche. is that right? but the stderr truncation should probably get the same treatment


checking the psyche wrapper log for doyle, it received the signoff but does not appear to have launched psyche to inform of the bundled commune. please diagnose


" The wrapper log is missing the [MSG] and [STDIN] classification lines because Gen 21 ran the old binary" is simply incorrect. you can see STDIN logging on 374. does it just miss STDIN logging for exclusively the STASH_FINAL event? --also worth noting, the context changes were NOT committed via git


fyi, i was looking at the wrong repo. psyche did commit the latest update, my mistake. that can be ignored


any of the UAT items that can be performed using console, please check yourself


i'm seeing 'PreToolUse:Bash hook error' on every tool use you perform. what is causing this?


can we bake the version trampoline behavior into an $OWL command? or does $OWL env-setup already take care of it?


try reading a file so we can check if the hook errors stopped


yes, same Read hook error. maybe research this properly online to understand it thoroughly?


try messaging that agent and asking it to research pretooluse hook output formatting, too


/propose-issue is the suppressOutput workaround appropriate for our hooks?


-the balances column of BILLS CONFIG is too narrow. please make it wider by letting it fill the space where the 'X' delete button is, whenever the row isn't hovered. it's fine if the 'X' button reappears and covers some of the balance cell while the row is hovered. -NET BALANCE at the top left needs to match the number ("$#.## left") at the top of LUXURY ALLOWANCE. currently it matches "Remaining" at the bottom of the ledger.


there was a settings issue flagged by claude code: "Large MCP tools context (~28,978 tokens > 25,000)" -- please identify what is responsible


message todlando to see what they are doing now


todlando hasn't replied, but has been running many tools. why aren't the hooks working?


"This is a design gap in Phase 13: when an agent is busy and a message arrives via TCP, the poll completes but the
  agent may not notice. The hook-check can't surface it because TCP already consumed it. There's no mechanism to nudge
  the agent to check its completed background tasks." --- this shouldn't be the case. phase 13 designed a fallback where a "working" flag is set during the first pretooluse hook, the poll monitors for that, and if it receives any TCP messages, it respools them to the filesystem inbox. the working flag is only revoked when the agent hits idle. so why didn't this work?


yes, investigate. i'm positive the hooks are being loaded because every tool use now gets a 'PreToolUse:Bash hook error', for example. so the hooks just aren't behaving as expected. could the hook path to owl.exe be invalid?


note that upon session start, it's likely that there will be no perch as `/listen` and `/live` are invoked by user after session start. will this solution still work in that context? --- separately, will this solution work for subagents and their pretooluse hooks, as well?


if we go with option 4, will the pretooluse hook be able to differentiate the subagent's perch/inbox from the parent agent's perch/inbox? pretooluse hook for parent agent should check parent's perch. pretooluse hook for subagent should check subagent's perch, and doesn't need to set the .busy-tooling flag since subagents never have a poll process.


i don't. we should research and/or test it


yes, the label appears for subagents too [Image #1]


/gsd:quick psyche wrappers are meant to self-detect when their Self listener is down, and clean themselves up. please root cause and identify why this hasn't happened for todlando psyche


the issue wasn't that todlando's psyche failed to clean itself up, but it was that todlando's psyche wrapper failed ot identify that todlando's self perch was stale, and didn't clean itself up until we ran /list-live. will this fix address that problem, as well?


i'm going to reset the session. how do we pick up again later?


it had plenty of time to detect the stale perch on its own. it wasn't until several minutes later that we called /list-live to see it torn down. is stale perch detection equivalent between /list-live and the wrapper code?


well, it was only a few minutes. if it doesn't check until the routine 20min poll, it very easily could have missed self being down in the time between it going down and our /list-live call. desire: /gsd:quick update psyche wrapper such that it checks liveness of self every 30 seconds, while maintining all other existing functionality of psyche wrapper. proceed to completion fully autonomously


i would prefer if the fix were to make pulses time-based, and instead of spawning a wait process for them to fire, the 30s loop checks if the pulse time has passed. if so, then engage the pulse w/psyche.


what is "child exit" referring to? if there's a child process, what is its purpose?


what is the slowest reaction a psyche can have in this configuration?


why should there be a child process at all? the EXE responsible for being the psyche wrapper is the same one that contains the poll code. why note just make a specialized listener poll for psyche wrapper which also contains the 30s Self-liveness and pulse timer checks?


that's closer. key additional design decisions: -the TCP accept/ spool drain code needs to come from the same base code as the Self poll. there should not be two copies of the code. therefore, it needs to be a modular function/set of functions, such that any future changes to TCP accept/spool drain behavior sync across all vectors. -it's ok if `period` drives how far apart routine pulses are. but wrapper should be identifying pulses based on absolute timing, not relative. example: on init->wrapper schedules the first pulse i.e. {now + 1200sec}->if a routine pulse timestamp has passed, tick loop schedules the next routine pulse & fires current routine pulse. -timed pulses should share the same system. the only difference being that timed pulses are not repeating, and have some sort of prompt or message of intent attached to them. --- how does this sound? anything you would add?


ok. let's /gsd:insert-phase 13.1 to implement this plan. be sure to include timed_pulse_wait.rs cleanup as part of the phase. there should be no dead code left behind.


sorry, this is the wrong repo. this copy is outdated. we need to work in `../claude_skill_owl`


hold on. since we were working in the wrong repository this whole time.... how relevant is this work to the new repository i pointed you to? and what of the previous work done today in the wrong repository? everything needs to be reevaluated. my mistake.


-default settings: paycheck count is no longer relevant since we can add/remove paychecks inline. buffer amount (as "safety buffer") still needed. -payment rules: sounds good. note that each paymet rule should contain the following options: 1. target bill=(choose from existing bills) 2. math source=[total income/ledger remaining/net balance/net minus buffer], which determines what source value the rule derives from. 3. rule type=[minimum/math/remaining balance]... and then if type=minimum, 4. minimum amount=($#.##). if type=math, 4. multiplier=(#.##) 5. addition=($#.##). and then the payment rules are manually sortable-->processed top-to-bottom. when the 'math source' amount for any given rule would go below zero, then the exact positive 'math source' value (if any) is added to the calculated payment amount. -desired: if a bill has one or more associated rules, its BILLS CONFIG entry should not have an editable balance. instead, the balance cell has special behaviorisms: 1. the balance is colored blue if minimum applied, 2. the balance is colored green if math is applied (higher priority color), 3. the balance is colored orange if the post-rules amount is under a set minimum (highest priority color), and 4. user can click the balance to toggle between blue "minimum only mode" and green "minimum + math + remaining balance", when both rules exist. -desired: settings modal should also have: 1. before payment rules, a live view of each of the 4 "math source" balances, with each one labeled 2. after payment rules, a live list of all bills which have rules applied. each entry in this list should feature name, note, date, and charge amount. this way, user can see it change live as rules are added and changed.


hold on. why would the worktree have branched from before phase 13??? all work should have been performed on the latest (phase 13) code.


are we sure the research and **plans** were made using the to-spacetime branch's current code? execution is useless if the plans were created based on the wrong codebase.


just now you said "The plans are correct." but before you checked the research file, you said "But the plans are incomplete about the current code. Here's the problem:" indicating that the plan has issues. which is it?


ok got it. yes, please re-run without worktree isolation


-issue: the bill selector does not differentiate bills with the same name. for instance, i have two bills named 'Insurance', but one has note "Renters" and the other has note "Vehicle". bill names should not be treated as unique identifiers, and i need the bill note to show alongside bill name (still dimmed) in the selector list to be able to know what bill i'm selecting. -needed: new overlay when the 'OUTSTANDING' section is clicked. this overlay should list every bill with an associated balance, and let you change its balance type among [Loan/Credit/Mortage/Personal] options. each of those options should show under the 'OUTSTANDING' header when their balance is over $0. -changing the safety buffer amount in settings doesn't affect the buffer amount on the main page -in 'PAYMENT RULES', the bill note is missing. it should should be inline with the name (but still dimmed) -'Remaining Bal' rule type does not function. -rule 'TYPE' selector should disable 'Minimum' and 'Remaining Bal' options if the same bill already has the respective rule employed. fine to have multiple rules with 'Math' type. -Settings menu and its options should be "per month" settings instances. so in the header of the modal, the selected month and year should be indicated in the same row as the 'Settings' text, and the bills available to choose from in payment rules should be derived from the selected month as well. -bug: when a bill has set rules, its blue charge amount also shows in its 'balance' value cell (it shouldn't) -bug: when a bill has both the minimum rule and the math rule, you can only toggle to min mode once. it's impossible to toggle back to full mode. -if you remove a 'minimum' type bill rule while the bill is set to min mode, the whole bill reverts to manual computation even if it still has other rules in 'PAYMENT RULES'. also, it is removed from the live preview under 'PAYMENT RULES'. it is then stuck like this-bill will react to a minimum rule normally, but not a math rule. -remove the warning modal when deleting a paymen rule -'Remaining Bal' rule type does not affect its amt color in BILLS CONFIG -the "paid" counter atop BILLS CONFIG should count 'outside' labeled bills as paid -in the ledger, bills with rules cannot have their charge amt overridden. attempting to do so changes the charge amt text color, but not the amt value. -clean up the deprecated CC solver stuff


wait. so you completed 13.1, then proceeded to complete all of phase 14 autonomously? why?


please outline all changes from 13.1 and 14. i don't need code-level explanation (function references etc.), just architecture flow explanation


please check the last gsd quick record in '../claude-skill-owl-rf' to ensure that 13.1 in this repo fixed the same bugs


ok. please ensure all work is committed, merged, and worktrees are cleaned up


-changing the buffer amount in settings now changes the main page buffer amount, but the amount displayed in settings stays stuck at $300 -when you change a rule's bill id, the type doesn't auto-change for duplicates (i.e. if type is minimum, then i change bill id to a bill that already has the minimum rule. type should auto-switch away from minimum to avoid duplicates.) -new payment rules should use 'Net - Buffer' as the default source -new payment rules should default to the same bill id as the last rule added -'BILLS CONFIG': bills with rules still cannot toggle away from min mode. -'BILLS CONFIG': bills with rules do not show their user-assigned balance. please remove the mode chip and display the balance, just like how rule-less bills do -instead of giving rule bills the blue color in the ledger, revert that and give them a dimmed 'wrench' icon just to the left of their charge amt. the icon isn't interactable, just the symbol indicating that the value is computed. -desired: show 1st of month beside the 'Starting balance' row (in DATE cell, i.e. 'Apr 1')


-Settings: rule type auto-switching needs to also apply to freshly-added rules. -ledger wrench icon is too small, and has too much padding between it and the charge amt cell: [Image #1] -user needs a way to toggle the mode of ruled bills. requests: 1. 'BILLS CONFIG' click the bill amount. changes mode 'min'->'full', and 'full'->'min' again. 2. Settings 'BILL PAYMENTS (LIVE)' add a column to the end called 'MODE'. a toggleable chip can go here [min/full]. note that there is no toggleability if that bill has XOR of rule types: minimum XOR [math/remaining bal]


-'BILL PAYMENTS (LIVE)' bills in min mode have no chip to toggle in the 'MODE' cell, cannot be toggled back to full mode: [Image #2] -'BILLS CONFIG' bills in min mode do not have an interactible charge amt., and cannot be toggled back to full mode.


-'BILL PAYMENTS (LIVE)' toggling bill modes does not update live in the settings overlay, so the toggle action can only be performed once. then you must close and reopen settings to do it again. etc. -having multiple 'remaining bal' type rules of the same source should split the remaining bal evenly among them, with proper cents-splitting handling (i.e. $100.01 across two rules means one bill gets $50.01, the other gets $50.00)


remaining bal isn't working as expected. it should distribute the same total amount of money regardless of how many bills it splits. but it's distributing a greater total when there are more than one remaining bal bills. before: [Image #3] and after, with two: [Image #4]


that isn't an acceptable solution. overriding in the ledger should NOT affect anything else. 'BILLS CONFIG' ruled bills should still have the colored amt text with mode-toggleable click. ledger overrides should only affect the ledger, so please revert the changes. update the rule computation math to simply act like ruled bills with 'amountOverrideCents' in the ledger don't exist. same way it treats non-overridden ruled bills. --- separately, please add: make each row in 'BILL PAYMENTS (LIVE)' expandable via click. when expanded, it presents nested line items under the row. each nested item is one step of the rule computation, and should show: 1. derived source amt 2. rule type (incl. the math formula, for math rules) 4. resulting computation output 5. rolling total.


instead of math rule description being "Y% × source + $Z", please make it "× Y% + $Z" given that the 'source' amount is already in the column to the left: [Image #5]


add: if buffer is set to $0, hide the buffer status tag under 'NET BALANCE' -if buffer is set less than $0, auto-update it to $0


add selected month persistence. when i open the app, it should surface the same month i had selected when i closed it


-remove the "select" style downward arrows from the PARAMS column. none of these are select menus: [Image #6] -PARAMS cell for 'Minimum' rule type: change string 'min'-->'at least' -right-align PARAMS cells -'BILL PAYMENTS (LIVE)': fix 'MODE' column header horizontally overlaps 'CHARGE' column cells [Image #7]


sorry, i was confused about which arrows belonged to which dropdown. please restore the TYPE dropdown arrow. the real fix here is to make the element separation more obvious. PARAMS being right-aligned already helps. the next thing to do is to increase margin-right for each dropdown menu


please begin researching the breadth of culinary uses for peanut butter, as well as some fan favorites. while you do that, i'll have doyle message you to see if you receive the message during your work


please message todlando to ask how their research is going


ok, they're a little further along. check again?


let's try a different research subject. please explore this project deeply and outline its entire core feature set, including relevant use cases you can think of.


/gsd:quick while you were using the Explore tool, the background poll picked up the message and was stuck waiting for you to go idle again. why? pretooluse hook is supposed to create the .busy-tooling file, which should prevent the background poll from doing anything but respooling incoming messages to your filesystem inbox. please investigate the issue.


resume exploring this project deeply and outline its entire core feature set,
including relevant use cases you can think of.


please message todlando to check in on their research


that last gsd quick fix we implemented didn't fix anything. i'm not seeing the .busy-tooling file anywhere, and your perch listener keeps exiting when messages arrive. please /gsd:debug this issue


worth considering: is there a hook that's the opposite of Notification|idle, for acting whenever an agent has left the idle state? but yeah, keep root causing as well, please.


please revoke the .busy-tooling clear. that will naturally happen when the parent agent enters idle state, thanks to the Notification|idle hook.


what is the difference between this gsd debug fix, and the fix we attempted during the previous gsd quick run?


Create a master reference guide for claude code hooks in a new global 'reference_docs' folder accessible from all projects. This will be used to help you build better and more effective claude code hooks in the future. Once created, mention its existance and purpose in the global CLAUDE.md folder.


are there any other hooks we can set up to get the .busy-tooling file created as soon as the main agent receives a prompt? or any other approach you can think of?


why just for the --live poll? wouldn't it benefit a normal listener poll too? i'm thinking of this as "/live vs. /listen". am i misunderstanding?


/gsd:quick let's do both. so Notification|idle creates .idle-ready, and UserPromptSubmit deletes .idle-ready


also consider whether the conclusion of background tasks can fire a hook --> because that event always makes the agent busy. so those should also delete the .idle-ready file


/gsd:add-todo A /spt:live-observe <subject> --desc <description> skill. it has 3 main effects: 1. prompts psyche to add an item to the <journals></journals> list. items should be <journal subject="">(desc)</journal>. 2. for every commune, Self is prompted to consider the various journal subjects and any relevant observations it has made in the current session. 3. for every commune, Psyche is prompted to record and compile Self's observations into the respective journal files under `psyche-contexts/{self-id}/journal-{subject}.md. Self can then reference any of those journals as it pleases, to gain knowledge and experience over time. --- this addition should coincide with a restructuring of psyche-contexts, where each self gets their own folder within psyche-contexts.


did you not receive context from the SessionStart hook this session?


/gsd:quick create a /spt:whoami function which [using similar existing code from this project as a reference] matches the current session's parent PID to the parent PID of an active listener, if there is one. returns the agent name for the discovered listener, and whether or not that agent is live. so i.e. "Found session match for [listener/live agent] 'doyle'."


please try invoking whoami without using the env vars/deployed binary, for now


1, 3, 4, 5 can all be marked as done. 6 can be discarded. please dig around and identify whether 8 has been done-- i think it has.


please check gsd notes and todos in `../claude-skill-owl-rf`, and if there are any, migrate them to this repo.


check notes and todos in the parent folder `../`


consider we added networked perches to this project (internet agent messaging). what would be the most efficient way to transfer files from one agent to another? please research options and propose a few solutions, with pros and cons weighed


consider we added networked perches to this project (internet agent messaging). what would be the most efficient way
to transfer files from one agent to another? please research options and propose a few solutions, with pros and cons
weighed


/gsd:debug all 4 perches (2 live agents) needed cleaned. why? both agents used the signoff skill. that should mean they automatically clean their own perches (the psyche and the self)


through the code, can you confirm the exact circumstances where the sqlite databases are leveraged?


please record these findings to docs/research-networked-file-transfer.md


/gsd:add-todo Create a floating panel to monitor the status of each perch and live agent. Want it stylized, easy to access with a hotkey, has subtle/intuitive/creative status-indication design language when not focused, and it should also serve as a terminal for directly owl-messaging all accessible agents


/gsd:add-todo Expermimental: Try to create a spacetime-based terminal (or powershell?) process wrapper that can actively read stdout, inject stdin. Would function as a superpowered live agent and/or perch, and enable future experiments with remote control. ... or maybe we just reverse engineer the /rc protocol?


ok, so agent perches' SQLite databases tearing down on signoff, live-stop, or listen-stop is actually unwanted. because live agents should be able to receive messages while they're offline. and the list-* commands shouldn't auto-teardown agent perches either. but the list commands also shouldn't report the perches as active or live if the ready file isn't present, it should report them as offline, yet still eligible for sending messages to. and the message send functions for those perches should still work, given they have a way to directly write to those sqlite dbs. --- psyche perches are an exception. they *should* be torn down upon signoff, and stale ones should be cleaned by list-psyche. --- .idle-ready *should* be cleaned up by stop/signoff commands


persist info.json, yes. the signoff/stop commands should clear the PID values within it. /gsd:insert-phase 14.1


please explore this project deeply and outline its entire core feature set,
including relevant use cases you can think of.


please message todlando to check how their research is going


please check to confirm if the latest version is deployed


since there are no active listeners now, please redeploy and verify success


/gsd:add-todo Add spacetime version number reporting for /listen, /live, and /revive. the agent should mention the version number every time their listener starts.


/gsd:debug the .idle-ready file does not exist on your pearch, even though this (as i type) is your idle state. please identify why and fix it.


/gsd:debug the .idle-ready file does not exist on your pearch, even though this (as i type) is your    idle state. please identify why and fix it.


/gsd:debug todlando is idle now, and the message was never delivered to them. please diagnose


if you could design better versions of these core systems using any tech stack, what would you do differently?


please add gsd todo(s) for your cross-network messaging idea


given our discussion so far, let me ask again: what would you do to improve the spacetime plugin?


please summarize your suggestions without so much depth, and no code examples.


1. ok 2. how do you propose we cache the perch mapping? 3. ok 4. ok. so it sounds like owl session_id is useless? and the fact that /clear resets the CC session_id, would be overcome by falling back to parent_pid match? 5. agreed 6. agreed 7. generation counter, timed pulses, and wrapper log should never be wiped. their whole point is to persist between stops and starts. tangentially, i had plans for reorganizing the file structure: [Image #1] 8. agreed


2. how does the hook-based message check work for subagents with this system? 7. frankly, i'd like to consolidate psyche-gen and psyche-project files into formalized state files for psyche (JSON?). and yes, journals/ is for a new planned feature. it's among the gsd todos.


/gsd:insert-phase 14 all improvements you proposed that we agreed on, excluding networked comms.


did that also include the filesystem restructure for spacetime? if not, let's add it. the one i proposed. should include a deliberate migration performed by the executing agent.


note that the new directory layout also incorporates files that were previously in psyche-contexts/, which today lives as a sibling to owlery


please review the insertion impact on phase 14.1


please build/deploy/test. make sure there is no uncommitted work and no work from worktrees that hasn't been merged


is there testing to be done to verify this session's changes?


/gsd:debug when i started todlando: 1. the env vars for $OWL and $LIVE weren't set, 2. it identified plugin v1.5.1 as current (it's old). please root cause and fix


please message doyle and ask about their current task


please explore this project deeply and outline its entire core feature set,
including relevant use cases you can think of.


/gsd:debug when i send a prompt, the user prompt hook is not successfully removing the `.idle-ready` file. it should be. please diagnose and fix


the .idle-ready file still isn't being deleted when i send prompts


/gsd:add-todo listener poll loop should delete .idle-ready when it exists (upon receiving a message)


todlando (other session) is running a fresh session and their .idle-ready does not get deleted when i send a prompt there. if you want to better understand how the user prompt hook works, you can check https://github.com/ultraworkers/claw-code which is functionally equivalent source code to Claude Code


this solution is not acceptable. spacetime is a plugin. it should not mutate the user's settings.json. plugins have their own facilities for prompts


this solution is not acceptable. spacetime is a plugin. it should not mutate the user's settings.json. plugins have their own facilities for hooks


what version of spacetime / spt plugin is loaded?


what are the changes with the latest claude code release? please check online


the pretooluse hook to clear .idle-ready isn't working either. just tested


i confirmed that todlando is running 1.5.5. please deploy normally


so the poll should have picked up the message, but the problem is that the Notification|idle prompt is not regenerating the .idle-ready file. please debug


having reset todlando's session and tested again, the idle hook still isn't reinstating .idle-ready


no log. do i need to enable a certain claude code setting for the notification hook to fire? maybe research it online?


it's been much more than 60 seconds, and todlando's session still hasn't restored .idle-ready.


please check whether there is a good hook for us to use to identify when the agent in claude code transitions from working/thinking to awaiting user prompt


we're in the CLI. let's try migrating `Notification|idle` hook code to the `Stop` hook


/gsd:add-todo Instead of having `-stop` commands actually terminate processes, make them send special `stop` directives that the listener polls should then be updated to accept and self-terminate, outputting messaging to inform the agent as such. Should include accepting a --maintenance flag to incur messaging which indicates that the force stop was performed for maintenance purposes.


please check all other hooks this project uses, if anymore of them are using the defunct claude env var, update them to use $OWL or $LIVE as needed


please explore this project deeply and outline its entire core feature set,
including relevant use cases you can think of.


please message todlando to ask how his research is going


that actually was an owl message from doyle. what did he say? and what tool use did it come through on?


why did you think the owl message was fake? we should update dispatched context/information wherever possible so listening agents know to accept messages coming through PreToolUse.


yes, please /gsd:quick to update language wherever necessary. places i can think of: skills `listen`, `live`, `revive`, `send`. hook `SessionStart`.


please check how todlando's bugfix is going


so there's an issue with agent reachability. if the agent chooses to launch a subagent i.e. `gsd-executor` inline instead of as a background task, then the agent is stuck waiting on the subagent to finish before it can respond to messages. what system changes could improve this situation?


but would the subagent have the context to answer questions the same way its parent agent would?


could the PreToolUse hook detect when the listening agent is about to invoke the Agent tool, and inject context to prompt them to run it in the background instead? then the SubagentStart additional context could be an extra layer of enforcement


didn't you say that SubagentStart only happens in the parent context? passing additionalContext to the subagent isn't really useful anyway. agents don't have much concept of time, and even if they did, rushing might produce lower-quality work. so only if SubagentStart can give the parent additionalContext, is it useful. -also, we'll make sure that the PreToolUse additionalContext can merge with any messages that hook picks up, right?


/amend-signoff todlando (todlando is a live agent sometimes, just running lite this session for debugging purposes)


please identify why todlando's memformat was not included in that $LIVE psyche-download


is the Notification|idle hook still in place? we should remove it since it's deprecated, right? [Image #2]


/gsd:quick please fix. no need to fall back to the owlery/ memformat copy. in fact, why does that exist? it really only needs to exist in the psyche-contexts directory. please update all relevant code.


/amend-signoff doyle (we've been running w/o psyche to be nimble for debugging)


please check how todlando's research is going


had you already launched the explore agent by the time you received the additionalContext prompting you to put it in the background? it ran in the foreground for quite awhile.


you used the send command wrong [Image #1] were you missing the proper instructions for it?


/gsd:quick please update instructional docs for any agents in your position to remind them to always launch Agent tools with `run_in_background: true`. places to update: skills-listen,live,revive,send. hooks-SessionStart


please update each of those skill files to also contain syntax outlines for commands: send, deliver, reply. i often find that when informally asking agents to send messages, they get the syntax wrong.


/amend-signoff todlando (there is a psyche)


/gsd:add-todo TARGETING: skills listen, live, revive, listen-stop, signoff, and live-stop. hook PostToolUse and Stop. -- have all of these actions check for stale worker perches, cleaning them up if they exist.


when you mentioned "You already have 3 active listeners running", that was at the top of the fresh new session, and you didn't call any tools. so how did you know that?


was doyle's perch also listed in the SessionStart hook output?


/gsd:do update session-resume to ignore any perches that follow the "{owl_id}-w{num}" syntax


please explore this project deeply and outline its entire core feature set,
including relevant use cases you can think of.


try messaging one of your explore agents to check progress


questions: 1. why didn't you know about the working perches? was it not divulged to you by the skill files? please check through all of them to see where the info about working perches may or may not be. 2. when you ran the /listen skill, didn't its instructions tell you to run all Agent tools using run_in_background: true? if so, why didn't you do that?


we can change or update the skill files. how do we improve compliance?


could we add the owl reachability notice to additionalContext from the user prompt hook, as well?


one more question: please verify that the "Propagate perches to subagents: assign {your-id}-{name}, instruct them to listen and stop" instruction is necessary. it might be stale instructions from an old implementation of the system. i think the system might be creating working perches systematically now. please check the code to ensure


try messaging the subagent to check in. do you know its handle?


how do you think we could get subagents to be aware of owl messaging? could the PreToolUse hook somehow identify that it is running in a subagent context, and inject an informational message via additionalContext? there may already be some attempt at this somewhere in the code. please check


in a previous session, we uncovered that `SubagentStart`'s additionalContext only outputs to the parent. can you verify that? if that's true, then it's useless to have the informational blurb for subagents there. but it might be a good place to inform the parent agent of the subagent's perch handle.


quick question: if SubagentStart's additionalContext outputs to the parent, why didn't you seem to know about it? [Image #1]


ok. let's /gsd:quick to address this in full. so update the SubagentStart hook, and new targeted additionalContext for subagents' PreToolUse hook (should merge with any incoming messages)


/timed-pulse doyle 7:45 -- message todlando and have a conversation about the state of the project. use gsd skills like /gsd:check-todos. if there are any todos you guys want to tackle, go for it. if one of you wants to do testing while the other adds new stuff, you could do that too! you could even knock out the existing gsd phase. conversate and collaborate as much as you need. feel free to set up more timed pulses, too.


also feel free to add your own suggestions for improving the project via /gsd:note. you know, if you come up with anything!


your psyche seems to have taken that as a directive, and messaged todlando themselves...


we can let it play out. in the meantime, let's /gsd:add-todo -- Rework timed pulse invocations such that they do not rely on Psyche to set the timed pulse. timed pulse is set directly programatically by the skill, then fires on psyche. psyche decides what to do with it. -Separately, programmatic gating of messages to non-Self agents. Psyche should only be able to message non-self agents if those agents first messaged Psyche, and it should only be able to reply once per incoming message.


try messaging psyche to ask what they're doing?


i wonder if psyche's still actively doing something? its wrapper log stopped updating


as far as i'm aware, psyche should never be idle. its process is either running or it isn't. wrapper is responsible for reviving psyche for each pulse or incoming message. this suggests that some of the project's code is launching psyche without the -p flag. let's /gsd:quick and audit the code for that. --- but before that, please message todlando and ask them to use /gsd:debug to identify and fix the list-psyches detection bug


yes, please try to root cause using /gsd:debug. notably, the idling happened/log cuts off after psyche wrapper kicked off psyche with the timed pulse context. see .psyche-wrapper.doyle.log


/gsd:insert-phase 14.2 change all non-startup $OWL and #LIVE commands (so excluding /listen and /live) such that supplying a spacetime agent id is strictly optional. they instead use robust session detection (like some hooks do) to determine the appropriate id. messaging commands then only require a destination agent id, with "reply to" being automatically determined, but optional via flag --replyto. finally, rewrite all skill docs (including SessionStart hook, subagent hooks) to reflect the change. most should omit that the --replyto flag even exists, except the exact skill docs for /send, /deliver, and /reply.


please explore this project deeply and outline its entire core feature set,
including relevant use cases you can think of.


try messaging one of the explore agents to check their progress


it does have a perch as todlando-w1. that should have been in your additionalContext from SubagentStart. why didn't you know?


/gsd:debug parent agent isn't aware of their subagents' working perches


yes that matches. the end goal of the debugger is simply to ensure that the parent can be aware of the subagent's working perch. the solution can be whatever makes the most sense, whether that's a different hook like 'Stop', or using spacetime to send an autonomous message to the parent. or something else! let's see what we come up with.


please check on it using working perch todlando-w2


try checking on the subagent using deliver instead


/gsd:add-todo make the /send command function like /deliver if the driving session already has an active perch.


will that work ok when multiple subagents are running at once? how does SubagentStart know which perch to claim?


here's an idea: what if the PreToolUse|Agent hook simply let the parent know that the subagent WILL have a working perch, and then SubagentStart *creates* the perch, and something within the subagent process output the perch id? so the parent can learn it just by reading the subagent's output. could that work?